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Exposing Why the Pre-Trib Rapture Doctrine will Deceive Many

In Articles, Christian News, Featured, Warnings by JD Rucker26 Comments

In debates over the end times, I’ve often been told that denouncing the pre-trib rapture doctrine takes away people’s hope. I always counter that it gives them the most dangerous, misleading false hope of all and prevents believers from fully embracing the Bible today.

We’ll discuss some of the arguments and counterarguments in a future post, but first it’s important to take a very close look at the reasoning behind the creation of a false doctrine like the pre-tribulation rapture. There is already a very blatant attack on the Biblical worldview taking place all around us. Most deceptions are designed to keep people from exploring faith in the first place, let alone embracing Yeshua as our Lord and Savior.

The adversary is not satisfied with deceiving most people. Those who fail to heed the call within their hearts to accept Christ are easy for the adversary to claim, but that’s not enough. He wants as many people as possible and the most satisfying souls for him to steal are those who were on the right path but who fell away at the last moment. He wants Christians. He wants Jews. He wants as many as he can take and the pre-trib rapture doctrine is designed specifically to go after those people.

What the Pre-Trib Rapture Doctrine Does to Christians

Very few people want to go through tribulation. It’s in our human nature to avoid pain, suffering, loss, and trial. This is the primary allure of the pre-trib rapture doctrine. It tells Christians that they will not be around when the real evil sweeps the planet. It makes them believe that they are not going to face the tribulations and trials set forth for the rest of the world. It makes them feel special, protected, and means that they have nothing to worry about.

First and foremost, the last portion is true: we have nothing to worry about. However, it’s for different reasons than what the pre-trib rapture doctrine teaches. With true faith, we have absolutely nothing to worry about in this life because we are not of this world. They can persecute us, torture us, and even kill us, but maintaining our faith to the end will assure us of salvation and eternal life. Technically speaking, we really have nothing to worry about at all as long as we’re prepared to face whatever evils are thrown at us, which is one of the reasons that the pre-trib rapture doctrine is so dangerous.

What happens to someone who is firm in their belief that they won’t face tribulation when the tribulation comes? When extreme hardship beyond anything they’ve experienced is put in front of them, they are much more likely to question their worldview. To make things worse, we can assume that alternate worldviews such as Panspermia, big bang evolution, unification of religion, and world governments will be promoted to Christians experiencing the tribulation when their pre-trib rapture beliefs are shattered.

If someone tells you to close your eyes and open your arms because they’re going to give you a wonderful hug, you’ll be shattered emotionally and physically if they punch you in the gut as hard as they can. If you know that the punch is coming and you’re prepared with your eyes open and your stomach muscles tensed, you’ll be able to recover from the punch more easily.

Regardless of what you’re expecting in the same situation, if it is an actual hug that comes, you’ll be fine. I’m not going to go down the road that many who oppose the pre-tribulation rapture go down by saying, “expect the worst and if the rapture really does come earlier, you’ll be good either way.” That’s leaving a sliver of a possibility of a pre-trib rapture open and that’s simply not the right way to see it.

What the Pre-Trib Rapture Doctrine Does to Jews

An argument can be made that the pre-trib rapture doctrine is designed specifically to keep as many Jews as possible away from the faith. Think about it from their worldview. They are the chosen people and many have been raised to believe that obeying the laws is their path to eternal life. Some have doubts; more Jews are coming over to belief in Yeshua as their Messiah every day.

Now, once the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is introduced, they can see the situation as giving them the best of both worlds. If their Jewish faith is correct, they only need to keep doing what they’re doing. If the Christian faith is correct, the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine tells them that they will have time to convert once the tribulation starts.

In essence, it would make logical sense to a Jew who is living by Torah but who is considering the possibility of becoming a Messianic Jew to continue to deny that Yeshua is their Messiah. With the pre-trib rapture perspective, they’ll have time to correct their worldview and follow Yeshua once they see millions of Christians taken away.

The pre-trib rapture perspective allows them to hedge their bets. It tells them that if their Jewish teaching is correct, they win. If their Jewish teaching is incorrect, they’ll have the opportunity to switch sides and still win. The pre-tribulation rapture doctrine gives them a valid logical reason to deny the truth today and accept it tomorrow if things pan out. In their minds, the deception means that they can’t lose.

When tribulation comes and the Christians are not raptured, it will reaffirm their erroneous beliefs. Thankfully, they will be shown the truth and many will convert and accept Yeshua at the last hour, but the deception is made to keep them from seeing the truth now. We don’t know for certain what happens to Jews who die without the knowledge of the truth, but there’s a case that can be made that they will face the second death.

What’s Next?

Now that we have an idea of why the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is so dangerous, it’s time for further exploration. As part of the Compassion and Fear Series, we have produced a few articles on the subject:

We have also started talking about it in our video series. Here’s the first:

If the doctrine itself is a deception, Christians must inform others so that more people are prepared.

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  2. Hi there, great work on your site. Very good articles and good writing! In regards to pre-trib, that’s obviously what I’ve been most exposed to and I do admit, I think it’s a likely possibility. However, in all honesty, unlike what’s depicted in your video, the timing of the tribulation does not matter to me – my hope is not in being rescued from tribulation, but in Christ alone as my Rock. He gets me THROUGH times of tribulation, if need be He’ll get me THROUGH THE Tribulation just as He is right now getting many Christians through the onslaught of ISIS.

    One thing your video failed to address (which sounds so ridiculous it almost deserves no mention), is the massive preparatory work that satan is doing for a pre-tribulation rapture. There is so much social conditioning for people to believe in aliens and UFOs and visitors from other planets, and beings of higher consciousness, or humanoids at greater levels of evolution, and all of it culminating in them coming to help us and save us from ourselves through teaching and augmenting or whatever else. Anyway, in this scenario which sounds like something straight out of science fiction, there is a propagation of a message in which many millions of people will be taken from the earth all at once (“in the twinkling of an eye”). They will be those who are not psychologically compatible for the conditioning and training most of humanity will receive. They will need to receive a different type of education elsewhere for this ‘salvation’ to work. They will be conservative thinking people. I’ve heard about this a few times, but in this particular youtube video (I wish I still had the link for it), they even go as far as to warn the viewer that all of this advance notice about a massive visitation to help save us is itself a deception by evil aliens to mentally disarm us in that we will welcome them rather than defend ourselves. The video’s aim was to warn us that our only defense was a joint global consciousness where we all focus our minds and will on defending ourselves from these aliens who are susceptible to psychic communication. I know… this is bizarre. Wait for it. The video went to lengths to warn that because having control of our own will is our only defense, those that have surrendered their will will hamper our defense. They warned specifically against people surrendering their will to Jesus Christ. Their claim was that Jesus Christ and Christianity was a guise made up by evil aliens called ‘Archons’ (interesting how that points to gnosticism…), who want us to disarm ourselves by surrendering our will. People who went about sharing the gospel were either archons in disguise or secret agents of the archons. The whole video was clearly satanically inspired.

    I told you it was ridiculous. Point being though, why go to lengths to seed a story about a massive evacuation being the workings of alien visitors if no rapture is going to need to be explained away? I mean really, with all the talk of aliens influencing people in positions of power, wouldn’t the explanation for millions of people disappearing all over the earth be the perfect opportunity to publicly and broadly disclose that aliens have arrived and they’re going to help save us [Enter the antichrist]??

    Just something to consider. I believe it quite possible based on scripture that the tribulation could happen at any of those points, and it seems clear to me that our spiritual adversary himself has no idea either…

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      Some incredible and important points there, Michael. It’s amazing how our Father works – I was opening up the website to write about the concept that even if people aren’t convinced that the Rapture will not come before the great tribulation, that we can at least give them the practical advice of “In case of no pre-trib Rapture, don’t believe the lies.” Your comment came at the perfect time! I’ll reply more in-depth to your comment after I write the article, but everything you said in this comment is true. The one thing to consider is that the cleverness of the adversary is much greater than ours. To that end, it would be a very powerful “double con” to use disinformation such as the stuff you mentioned in that video to persuade believers that a pre-tribulation Rapture is imminent.

      The adversary works on levels that we cannot fathom. His goals are many and the layers of his deceptions are so thick, so complex that we cannot possibly see through them without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Even then, you make the most important point in your comment: in the end, unquestioning belief and worship of our Father and Yeshua despite any of the noise the adversary puts before us is all that matters. I have no fear for those who believe as you believe because no matter how it pans out, true believers won’t be swayed. My fear is for those who put all of their hope on a concept such as the pre-trib rapture and who can be shaken from their resolve if it doesn’t go the way they expect.

      Thank you, and I’ll reply more in-depth after I write the article. Thank you as well for delivering the right message I needed to hear before writing it!

      1. The Deception scenario could be these; there will be a fake pretrib rapture, a fake 3.5 years tribulation, a fake antichrist that will be defeated by the real antichrist to make himself appear as the messiah.

        Here are some pointers:
        1. High Tech Lying Signs and Wonders (Holograms, Mind Control, EMP, CERN, Fountain of Youth, Miracle Cures, Fake Aliens & UFOs)
        2. King of the North and King of the South
        2. Revived Roman Empire (north) versus Islam (from Ottoman origin, the south)
        3. Two Feet of Nebuchadnezzar’s statue with Ten Toes
        4. Ten Kingdoms of the 2 Beast kingdoms counterfeit of the 144,000 from the 2 Southern tribes of Remnant Israel and 10 Lost Northern Tribes of Israel
        5. The two horns of a lamb but spoke like a dragon, counterfeit of the Two Witnesses
        6. Mark of the Beast counterfeit of the Seal of God on the foreheads
        7. For 3.5 years, Islam will cause the Tribulation in Israel and the Gentiles, the next 3.5 years will be by the Revived Roman Empire, which will make it an unscriptural seven year tribulation period as promoted by satan, and the truth is, it is just 3.5 years, or 42 months, or 1,260 days, as prophesied clearly in Daniel and Revelation.
        8. Islam is the first Great Whore who persecuted God’s people; the Vatican or Zionist Jerusalem (the opposite of New Jerusalem?) is the next Great Whore, who did the same to God’s people, that will be destroyed (remember the warning to flee to the mountains?) to usher in the One World Religion.

        The Zionist are those who claim that they are Jews but they are not, they belong to the synagogue of satan.

        Iron – Revived Roman Empire
        Clay – Islam (Warring Shiite/Sunni)

        Check out the origins of GREAT Britain, the UNITED KINGDOM, their feast of Gog and Magog in London, their famous Legend King Arthur and Merlin, their occult symbolisms in their institutions, monarchy, iconic structures; their claim of being part of the ten lost tribes of Israel, and their lineage to David and Jesus.

        Check out also the origins of the UNITED STATES of America, and their occult symbolism everywhere in the institutions and even in their dollar bill.

        God Bless,

        Eaglet

        1. The chosen of God will not know their own identity when Christ arrives; only one group fits that description, and they are clearly revealed in Deuteronomy 28; we are now awakening, and know there is no Rapture period, but there will be a gathering after the Trib, we will be returned to Israel”afterthe Second coming, and peace will prevail there

    2. Most likely Satan doesn’t know when the Rapture will actually take place and is “covering the bases”? Keep in mind he is far more intelligent than the greatest military strategists throughout history!

      1. Hi Stephen, (the brother who courageously proclaim the Gospel to the point of physical death, who fell asleep when his spirit, the breath of life of God, was taken from him). Peace = )

        satan knows when the rapture will happen. he is just full of himself that he cannot take the truth that we were created higher than him and the angels. he is still trying to thwart God’s plan in this end times, and trying as much as he can to deceive as many people as he can.

        satan through his legions are in the midst of all the pre, mid, post tribulation arguments, in biblical doctrine and prophecy debates, in church worship service, programs, activities, and gatherings. he does not bother himself much on the unbelievers.

        If you see someone in your church sleeping or chit-chatting while the pastor is preaching, one of his demons is there demonizing and at the same time listening to the preaching, then reports everything back to his boss.

        Here is the ignorance of false teachers and false prophets: (honestly, sometimes I myself still falls in this predicament sometimes)

        Matthew 16:13-17

        13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”

        14 So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

        15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

        16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

        17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

        A few verses after…

        Matthew 16:21-23

        21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.

        22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

        23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

        My conclusion…

        Peter is not satan, so are the false teachers and false prophets…what is the problem then?… the above scripture will suffice.

        Accepting and practicing this principle will make us open to other’s opinion and views, and makes us become teachable, and humble enough to unlearn and deconstruct.

        God bless.

        Eaglet – A Soldier of Jesus Christ

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  5. Hello JD Rucker:

    I have read and read your website and I truly understand what you are thinking. However, most of your arguments regarding the hazardous effect of thinking that Christ may rescue His bride out before the tribulation (or judgment) seem to be pretty much misplaced and magnified. I would think we would be better spending our time building up the saints and having them wear all the defensive armour for what we are dealing with now in this life. God does rescue before tribulation (judgment) at times, He did with Enoch and He did with Lot, and Jesus referenced these two men when He talked of the end times…so the idea that He might have His Bride, the Church escape before judgment is not a dangerous doctrine at all.

    I guess I see too much in Scripture that points in an opposite direction than what you have stated to require me to abandon the idea of a pre-trib rapture, or even consider it as a lie, or as dangerous, or as a cunning doctrine of Satan’s origin.

    I know you will not ridicule me, so I am willing to discuss this here, but I would like to know why there are not a lot of types in Scripture that present a post-trib idea for the Bride of Christ?:

    Why are there so many types in Scripture that speak of a pre-trib rapture?

    There is a barley harvest, barley is thrown into the air (rapture), there is a wheat harvest, the kernels are subjugated to a tribulum (tribulation saints), finally there is a grape harvest at the end of the tribulation first for believers and then the remaining who endure the winepress of the wrath of God and blood flows as deep as a horse’s bridle. Frankly I would rather be a part of the barley harvest.

    Consider these types and let me know if you reject them out of hand or better, show me that they really reveal that God wants His Bride to be subject to beheading and worse the satanic influences and returned demons of Genesis 6.

    Type = Boaz was the kinsmen redeemer, through blood relation of Naomi, for the Gentile, Ruth, whom he took for his bride (Ruth 4).

    Parallel = Christ is the kinsmen redeemer for His mostly Gentile Bride, the Church, through His shed blood (Revelation 5:9).

    Type = Boaz, the son of the harlot Rahab, redeemed the land and status back to Naomi (Ruth 4).

    Parallel = Christ will redeem Israel and the world back at the end of the Tribulation and give the Jews the land and promises made to Israel after they accept Him as Savior and stop harloting after other gods (Zechariah 12,13,14).

    Type = Boaz gave Ruth 6 ephahs of barley as a sign that he would settle the redemption matter (Ruth 3:15-18).

    Parallel = After 6,000 years of human history, Christ will redeem the earth and His people (Revelation 5).

    Type = Ruth was betrothed to Boaz during the barley harvest (Ruth 3-4).

    Parallel = Christ was resurrected on the Feast of Firstfruits, which is at the beginning of the barley harvest (Matthew 28, Leviticus 23). The Bride of Christ, the Church, began to be gathered on Pentecost, also during the barley harvest (Acts 2).

    Type = Ruth was to glean to the end of the barley and the wheat harvest, but was betrothed and married during the barley harvest and before the wheat harvest. (Ruth 3-4).

    Parallel = The Church will be raptured before the harvest of wheat: the Tribulation saints (Matthew 13:24-39, Revelation 14:14-16).

    Type = God commanded Israel to have a 7-day feast to the Lord in the Feast of Tabernacles (or Ingathering), and make booths out of palm trees (Leviticus 23:39-41). There was a sacred assembly after the 7th day (Leviticus 23:36, 2 Chronicles 7:9, Nehemiah 8:18).

    Parallel = The Church, the Bride of Christ (2 Corinthians 11:2), will spend 7 years in Heaven with her Bridegroom in the Father’s house (John 14:2-3), to complete the spiritual consummation (1 Corinthians 6:15-17). (Note the “Traditional Jewish Wedding” was 7 days). The Tribulation saints who arrive in Heaven throughout the 7-year Tribulation stand before the throne with palm trees (Revelation 7:9). These Tribulation Saints are the last of the harvest of souls of believers before the Feast of Tabernacles (or Ingathering) is fulfilled (Revelation 14:12-15). All believers in Heaven will assemble and return with Christ in the armies of Heaven, to rule and reign with Him on Earth after the 7-year Tribulation (Revelation 19-20).

    Type = Joseph prophesied through Pharaoh’s dream that there would be a 7-year famine (Genesis 41:16-36).

    Parallel = The 7-year Tribulation is characterized as a time of famine (Matthew 24:7, Mark 13:8, Luke 21:11, Revelation 6:5-8, Revelation 11:6).

    Type = Joseph married a Gentile bride, Asenanth before the 7-year famine (Genesis 41:45) and she lived in the palace during the 7-year famine.

    Parallel = Christ will come for His Gentile bride before the 7-year Tribulation (Romans 10:19-20, Romans 11:11) and the bride will live with Jesus in heaven during 7-year Tribulation.

    Type = Joseph gave grain to hungry people who came to him to make bread (Genesis 41:57).

    Parallel = Jesus gave bread to hungry people who came to Him (Mark 6:41).

    Type = Joseph tested his brothers and forgave them (Genesis 42-44).

    Parallel = The Jews will be tested in the Tribulation and forgiven (Jeremiah 30:4-11, Jeremiah 50:20).

    Type = When Joseph revealed himself to his brothers they were “dismayed in his presence” (Genesis 45:3).

    Parallel = When Jesus reveals Himself at His 2nd Coming, the Jews will look on Him and mourn (Zechariah 12).
    Type = Isaac’s birth to his aged mother was miraculous (Genesis 21:2).

    Parallel = Jesus was miraculously conceived and born of a virgin (Matthew 1:23).

    Type = Abraham sent his servant to find a wife for his son Isaac (Genesis 24:1-4).

    Parallel = The Church is the Bride of Christ. The Father sent the Holy Spirit to seek out the Bride through conviction of sin (2 Corinthians 11:1-2, John 16:7-8, Revelation 19:7-9).

    Type = The servant gave gifts to the bride he found, and Rebekah invited him to her home (Genesis 24:22-24).

    Parallel = When a person accepts Christ, the Holy Spirit comes into their heart. They become part of the Bride of Christ and the Holy Spirit gives gifts to them (1 Corinthians 12:7-10).

    Type = Of the gifts the servant gave, there were two bracelets weighing 5 shekels of gold each (Genesis 24:22).

    Parallel = 5 is the number of grace. The Holy Spirit is also known as the Spirit of Grace, and will be poured out a 2nd time at the end of the age (Zechariah 12:10).

    Type = Rebekah went back with the servant instead of staying with her family (Genesis 24:50-59).

    Parallel = The Church will be raptured with the Holy Spirit, instead of staying with the unbelievers (2 Thessalonians 2:6-7).

    Type = There were 10 camels in the servant’s company, that brought Rebekah to Isaac (Genesis 24:10).

    Parallel = In the parable of the 10 virgins, 5 wise and 5 foolish, they were to accompany the Bride to meet the Bridegroom. However, in the parable, only the 5 wise, those with the Holy Spirit or Spirit of Grace, went in with the Bridegroom (Matthew 25:1-13).

    Type = Isaac went out to meet Rebekah and the servant coming on camels (Genesis 24:62-65).

    Parallel = Jesus will meet the Church in the clouds at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17).

    Type = Isaac married Rebekah and was comforted after his mother’s death (Genesis 24:67).

    Parallel = Jesus betrothed the Church by extending salvation to the Gentiles after Israel rejected Him (Romans 11). The nation Israel died in 70AD (Luke 21:20-24). Israel is pictured as the mother of the Messiah. (Revelation 12:1-6).

    I guess you will just say that all this is wishful thinking and dangerous because I will not be prepared to be beheaded. This after all is the lot of the tribulation saints who start appearing under the altar at the 5th seal after the rapture in Revelation 4:1, where the Bride has been taken to heaven, judged at the bema seat (crowns have already been awarded) perhaps even before the start of the Tribulation which seems to be started at the sixth seal.

    I can’t believe that you would have me be a servant of Satan for looking at Scripture and seeing these things and being encouraged by them. But that is how you have pegged me. I would never conclude such things about you, though we look at Scripture differently.

    Anyway brother, I can tell you are a believer and I know you will be blessed. As for me I am additionally blessed because I look at every Feast of Trumpets as the appointed time when perhaps the wedding of the messiah will take place, when perhaps the coronation of the King will take place, as the hidden day, as the day when no man knows the day or the hour of its appearing, as the day of the awakening blast, and especially look forward to the last trump of all the trumpet blasts that occur. Our Lord Rules Over All things.
    Yours,
    Dennis

  6. The pre trib rapture is a deception. While it may have some truth within it it has mixed truth from God with lies of satan. The bible says we true Christians would get persecuted, according to this rapture theory Many believe they would get raptured to Heaven before the tribulation begins. Many people like this rapture because many Christians are afraid they would have to suffer for Christ. Remember the more we suffer in the name of Christ the more we are like Christ. The bible says that just as the apostles were persecuted we would be persecuted as well. Those who have lived a Riteouseness life will reign with Christ for 100 years and after all eternity. We are made as kings and priests to God. The bible says that as the days of Noah were also shall the days of the coming son of man be. Meaning just as it happen as the days of Noah also shall it be the same as the of Jesus Christ. So also like the flood happens also shall the same thing happens. The bible also says that Noah knew not until he entered the ark and tool all men wumen and children but Noah and his family were left. If we use context clues we see the word took. So if people were taken within the flood, then they were killed by God wrath. So if this happens also shall it happen to everyone but only a few people would be left. You see if you want to reign and rule with Christ you must be like Christ and if we are like Christ then Christ is our elder brother. The more you suffer the more you earn rewards by God. This does not mean we should commit suicide, but rather mean suffering. We could also become like Christ by on their method. If you see you don’t suffer use this method. This method is living a Riteouse life by refusing all temptations, being honest, getting others to be eternally saved by Christ, and preaching the word of God. This method has these divisions as they are the ways of coming to Christ. God never says in the bible that his going to rapture every Christian. The bible says only 144,000 people would of entered heaven. in this days there are 4.5 billion Christians. Wow only a few would have entered God kingdom. So if the rapture is true why does this theory say every Christian would go to heaven if there are 4.5 billion Christians out of the 144,000 who would have entered heaven. The bible says that even the chosen people of God would have bien deceived. Now a deception has truth of God mixed with lies of satan. So if it was all satanic lies like for example Come I am satan the God then very very few people would believe in satan it wouldnt be an effective deception. Pray to God so that he might protect you during the great tribulation.

    1. I also believe the pre-tribulation rapture *may* (and I stress may) not be true and think God provides some examples with Noah/Flood and Moses/Exodus that correspond to the “Great and terrible Day of the Lord” (the 7 year Tribulation)…

      In Noah’s case, he went through the “tribulation” but was safe in the Ark. With the Israelites and Moses, they lived within the plagues and judgement of God in Egypt but were spared through it, and then rescued out of those tribulations.

      Jesus is our Noah’s Ark. Jesus is our Passover lamb.

      But John, you have some fallacy in your comment above. NO WHERE does the Bible say only 144,000 will enter Heaven! NO WHERE does it give ANY number of who will enter heaven or who will not. That sounds like some Mormon mumbo jumbo. The 144,000 mentioned in the Bible is 12,000 from each tribe of Israel that will be called out during the Tribulation to help spread the Gospel to the ends of the earth. There will be many more people who come to Christ through their ministry because that is their purpose… to be Christ’s servants in bringing the Gospel to the world during that difficult time.

      Now my question is if Christians are still here during the Tribulation, why does God call out these 144,000 Jews to spread the Gospel? Maybe the Church will actually be raptured or maybe we’ll work in tandem with these Jews to spread the Gospel. I’m not sure.

      But Jesus will come back (and very soon I believe) after a 7 year tribulation period prophesied in Daniel/Revelation and reign here on earth for 1000 years (the millennium).

      Looking forward to His return with much hope!

    2. I agree. Most christians forget that their are crowns in store for us if we just strive for it. They are the Crown of Life, Crown of Glory, Crown of Righteousness, Incorruptible Crown, and the Crown of Rejoicing.

      If we fail to receive at least one of this crowns, we will just be someone who had been saved and we will just be part of the nation that will be ruled by kings who had their crowns given to them by the King of kings and Lord of lords, in the New Heaven and New Earth.

      Let us all strive hard with the help from God to gain this rewards.

  7. SCRIPTURES THAT DESTROYED THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE DOCTRINE

    Revelation 21:1-2
    21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a brideadorned for her husband.

    Revelation 21:9-10
    9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
    10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

    Revelation 16:12-16
    12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
    14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

    To add more sense and logic to it without the twisting and the allegories:

    Revelation 16:17-19
    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
    18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
    19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

    Revelation 17:12-16
    1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

    BOOOM!!!! There you have it.

    The Bride will be snatch and stolen by the Thief right between the sixth vial judgement and the seventh vial judgement. (Revelation 3:3, “Remember therefore what you have received and heard; and keep it, and repent. If therefore you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.”)

    The Revelation of Jesus Christ according to His own Word.

    God help us all in this very deceptive end times.

    YBIC,
    Eaglet – A former Pretribber

  8. The pre trib rapture does not match with the scriptures. I want to address that the rapture might happen the same way as in exudes. The reoson why I say this is the tenth pleage were the angel of death came . As the angel of death came to take and kill all first born children. It seems to me that in this satanic rapture the angel of death would return but this time to take and kill many. It is not a cuencisdence that many believe in this rapture beacause they do not want to suffer in the name of Christ. In the newtestement all of the apostles died but only one survived who is John of phatmos. The pre trib rapture followers claim that all believers in Christ would be raptured, but according to the scriptures it says that even the elect would be Decieved. The rapture is mentioned in the scriptures but IMmedieatly after the great tribulation the Dead in Christ shall rise up. I call the after trib rapture. Then also the scriptures say we who are alive shall meet with the lords in the clouds. It says we who are alive meaning those who are left will be taken to the clouds to meet with the Lord. I do believe that at the beginning of the mellinion kingdom we will be taken to heaven but after tribulation. Those who endure to the end are the onece who will resign and rule with Christ as Kings and priests. Meaning all who have died who are alive who are wounded who are many things but believed in Jesus Christ and never got raptured then those will reign and rule with Jesus.

  9. Before the 1800s everyone no one knew about this pre trib rapture into a false prophet known as John Darby came in the way. The pre trib rapture is very much used by Satan so that when this pre trib rapture theory never happens many will fall into satans trap. The idea of suffering for God is very sad for few Christians that they believe in the pre trib rapture because they like to believe about it. Job is an example because Satan asks God if he worships God for noting. So God allows job go be tested and he suffered way a lot. I believe Satan will ask the very same question he asked about job but this time it will be to the holy people of God and he says ” is it for nothing these people worship God” Think about it God loved and loves Jesus Christ more than us who was way more perfect than us and he suffered the punishment of our sins mean while we were suppose to suffer this punishment, and yet Jesus Christ could have called the Angels to safe him and take him to heaven but he suffered our punishment because he loved us and loves us and we yet human who are lesser than Jesus Christ yet think we will been up without a scratch.

  10. WHEN WILL THE RAPTURE TAKE PLACE?

    When will the rapture take place? Will it be the pre tribulation or Will it be pre wrath? Let’s go to scripture shall we! Matthew 24:29-31/ 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Revelation 6:12/ 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; In the 6th seal revelation 6:12 says that the sun is turned as black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood. This is the very same thing that happens in Matthew 24:29 were the sun was darkened and the moon did not give its light, so we know that Matthew 24:29 was talking of the 6th seal. So let’s see the whole deal. Matthew 24:29-31 is means “Immediately after the tribulation of those days(1260 days) the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light (6th seal) and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
     And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trump and they shall gather together his elect… After in Matthew 24:31 Jesus says that the elect will we gathered by a sound of a trump. Revelation 11:18/ 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Notice this is talking about after the seventh trumpet happened. That means this proofs a post tribulation, and disprove a pre tribulation. Before verse 18, in verse 15 the seventh trumpet blew. How could Christ reward us after the 7th trumpet blew, if we were at heaven just prior to the tribulation? 1 john 3:2/ 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 is saying that we don’t know how we will be like but we will be like our lord Jesus Christ when he APPEARS. When does the Lord Jesus Christ appear? He appears at his second coming.Revelation 7:9-14/ 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
    10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
    11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
    12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
    13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
    14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in. Notice this great multitude came to heaven at the 6th seal. So that means, that the elect(the church) who are gathered by the Angels in Matthew 24:29-31 are the same once as the great multitude seen in revelation 7:9-14, since the elect are gathered at the 6th seal, which in revelation 7:9-14 the great multitude came to heaven at the 6th seal. This perfectly matches a post tribulation rapture and proofs the pre tribulation rapture is false. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18/ 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. We see that Paul is saying the We that remain unto the coming of the lord shall be caught up together in the clouds to meet the lord in the air. When is the coming of the Lord? After the tribulation. Mark 13:24-27/ 24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
    25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
    26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
    27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Again we know that when the sun shall be darkened and the moon not give her light will happen at the 6th seal. Mark 13:24-27 is identical to Matthew 24:29-31. How could Angels gather us the elect (the church) after the tribulation, when we were gathered just prior to the tribulation? Matthew 24:5-6/ 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
    6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. What Jesus is trying to say is that many shall come in the name of Christ and say “I am Christ” and shall deceive many, but THE END IS NOT YET. So because of this i believe of a possibility of their being a false pre tribulation rapture we a false Christ comes and deceives many. Now I find something very intresting. This is that when Jesus said that many shall claim to be Christ and deceived many, after he said the there would be wars and rumors of wars. That perfectly fits the first two seals. Revelation 6:2-4/ 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
    3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
    4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. The first horse rider is seen as one who rides in a white horse with a crown of gold. We also see Jesus Christ riding a white horse and wearing crowns of Gold. So I believe this represents is the false messiah(antichrist) who says according to Matthew “I am Christ” and deceives many. The second horse rider of revelation is mentioned as one that has a great sword, in a red dragon, and again I believe this represents according to Matthew the wars and rumors of wars. So let’s see the whole deal. Matthew 24:5-6 “for many shall come in my name saying “I am Christ” and shall deceive many(1st seal) and ye shall hear wars and rumors of wars(2nd seal). Now what is causing these pre tribulation supporters to believe in this deception? Revelation 3:10/ 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. The part underlined is where pre tribulation supporters look at. Even if we don’t know what this verse means, we know that this verse cannot support a pre tribulation rapture since scripture can’t contradict itself. “Keep thee” in this verse does not mean “take thee”. So if this verse really does support the pre tribulation rapture, then why didn’t John simply write in revelation “because thou hast kept my word of patience, I will also TAKE THEE from the hour of temptation… What ever John is referring to as “keep thee” it either means “protect thee” or “GAURD thee” because it cannot be a pre tribulation rapture. If this verse was supporting the pre tribulation position, then it would say “caught up in the clouds”, “gather the elect”, or “take thee” as other verses such as Matthew 24:29-31 use. Another thing the pre tribulation supporters use for their evidence is the 24 elders. Revelation 4:4/ 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. Some things the pre tribulation supporters use as evidence this is the church age is that they seat on 24 seats(thrones) and were crowns of Gold in their head. Well it is true that old testament saints were never promised crowns of Gold, or thrones, and we church saints are, but it would be wrong to assume that these are church age saints. There were some Israelites who wear faithful to God such as King David. Some rewards are mentioned in the scriptures of what we will receive, but there is much more we don’t know. And we know this can’t either of support the pre tribulation rapture, because scriptures cannot contradict itself, plus what better matches the rapture of the church is the great multitude of revelation 7. Remember the sun shall be darkened, and the moon into blood in the 6th seal. Now notice that it says “before the Lord comes”. We know that the 6th seal is after the tribulation, so this proofs both the pre wrath and post tribulation. So I agree with both post tribulation and pre wrath rapture. The pre wrath rapture position is after the tribulation however before God’s wrath. So let’s see the whole deal. Acts 2:29 is trying to say “the sun shall turn into darkness, and the moon into blood (6th seal), before that great and notable day of the Lord (God’s wrath) come. Joel 2:31/ 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
    Joel is again as did others scriptures talking of the 6th seal. So now that we’ve gone into scripture we know that the post tribulation- pre wrath rapture, however we know that the pre tribulation rapture is false.

  11. Hi George,

    When will the rapture take place?

    My answer is in the comment I posted above dated September 23, 2015.

    It is the Sixth Angel of the Vials Judgement that introduces the Bride to John. Because obviously, it was the Sixth Angel of the Vials Judgement who witnessed the rapture and resurrection event. Why would Jesus choose this angel instead of any other angels who are in Heaven? Why not Michael or Gabriel for example?

    The same also can be asked of Jesus why does it have to be the Seventh Angel of the Vials Judgement that has to be the one to introduce the Great Prostitute to John.

    Jesus, after taking His Bride to safety, turned on the Great Prostitute and dealt with her.

    The logic is just so clear. Read and understand carefully Revelation 21:1-10, Revelation 16:12-19, and Revelation 17:1. We don’t need to get far and search other scriptures and try to speculate and to understand it allegorically.

    The Book of Revelation is the end of the story. All the conclusions and evidences can be taken from this book.

  12. One of the reason a pretribulation rapture is impossible is because a pretribulation rapture would be unjust to people already lost in hell. If before a supposed pre-tribulation rapture people were lost for not believing, then why after that rapture, left-behind people that have SEEN what happened are no more required to BELIEVE without seeing to be saved, but are as forced to believe by what they have seen? Then all the lost people in hell may argue that they weren’t given the evidence of a rapture to see and become saved by seeing. Isn’t written: “blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed”? (John 20:29) And post-rapture people would be exempted from this verse?

  13. No Rapture.
    Rev.13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    God said count the number Six hundred threescore and six. Not six six six. Calculate Six hundred threescore and six, and do the same for a person name and if they match that is the beast.

    God is the alpha and Omega the first and last. God word is a twoedged sword. This is saying God word or letters have numbers associated with them.
    Gematria A=1, B=2, C=3…etc.

    Six hundred threescore and six Total count=313 and 26 letters
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin Total count=313 and 26 letters

    3 means Complete and 13 means rebellion from God
    Beast of Rev. 13:18 Is Russia President Vladimir Putin

    Pope Francis became Pope on 3-13-13 or 313 is the 2nd beast or false prophet Rev.13:11

    The whore of Babylon in Rev. 17 is America also described in Jer. 50, 51, Isaiah 13
    The great city of Babylon that God destroys described in Rev. 18 is Las Vegas Nevada
    Russia Putin destroys the whore or America Rev. 17-16-17

    Hope this helps. God gets all the glory and credit.

  14. THANKS FOR TELLING ME WHAT POST TRIB IS ABOUT, I’m putting only my trust In The Most High True Living God Ans No one else, I’m little new to end times etc but I have been given sign seen many biblical numbers but I shall read the word deeper KJV

  15. I think pre-tribbers get wrong the length of the “Day of the Lord”. They say the day of the Lord is 7 years long. When in reality it is just one day of wrath outpouring, which occurs at the end of the tribulation (“immediately after the tribulation of those days”). So we are saved from wrath, but not tribulation. The “great Tribulation” is not God’s wrath. That comes after.

  16. False Prophets are easy to spot. How does a wolf think: mercy or severity? How does a sheep think? Pre-trib or pre-wrath? Does it matter? It’s best to leave these matters in God’s hands and not man’s hands. Even so, a precaution to all of you.

    Revelation 22

    18 For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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